Would You Miss Saturday Mail Delivery?

A proposal would end Saturday first-class mail delivery.


The U.S. Postal Service is reportedly planning to announce today that it will stop Saturday first-class mail delivery by Aug. 1.

Mail personnel have delivered mail on Saturdays for 150 years, but the plan is to end regular mail service, while maintaining Saturday delivery for packages and express mail, CBS News reports.

The move is the latest attempt by the cash-strapped federal department to save money. It has already cut employees and service, but still reportedly lost $16 billion last year.

What do you think about this idea? Would you miss Saturday mail service?

Carrie February 07, 2013 at 12:35 AM
I agree. As long as we get our bills and have enough time to pay them I won't care but will we?
moe howard February 07, 2013 at 12:16 PM
They pay into their pensions. You can thank unions for 40 hr work weeks a fair minimum wage and weekends.
Earnhardt February 07, 2013 at 12:34 PM
Ceasing Saturday delivery will not save the Post Office from losing money. It's a band- aid at best. The retirement programs are costing them a fortune, It reminds me of the old Polaroid company, they paid out so much money to retirees, and they never really changed with the times, It resulted in the death of the company. the USPS is on te same road, Makes you wonder where they will be in 5 years?
Aron Levy February 07, 2013 at 03:18 PM
Wow. You actually feel that the time of the home phone and the PUBLIC LIBRARY have gone? Begone, troglodyte. And stay the hell away from my books.
Aron Levy February 07, 2013 at 03:26 PM
I'm honestly surprised to find that you are pro-union. Never saw that coming.
Brian Yates February 07, 2013 at 03:56 PM
It's insane that the Post Office is proposing a major reduction in service before the burden of pre-payment of retiree health costs imposed on it by a Republican Congress and President can be lifted. Congress should act promptly to eliminate this absurd requirement. Alderman Brian Yates
Bill February 07, 2013 at 04:06 PM
Honestly, do you really think that a phone connected to the “wall” will exist in five years? Yes, the public library will no longer exist – not in the form we know it today. It will become a museum of sorts and instead of people checking out books they will have a guide showing how “pre information age” people used to get their information and books. I am not advocating for it – I love the library. But its days are numbered. When I was a kid and I had a school project I would go to the Encyclopedia – my kids go to the computer. My 8 year old gets all her books on the Kindle. It’s just like the post office – you honestly think the post office will exist in ten years. Not likely.
M C Stringfellow February 07, 2013 at 04:36 PM
Yes you can thank the unions for fair wages and 40 hr work weeks. You can also thank them for higher cost of goods and sending jobs overseas and screwing up the political system. Union monies should not be used for political purposes only for the union members when needed.
Curiouser February 07, 2013 at 04:40 PM
When companies and unions negotiated benefits 25 years ago, no one could have foreseen what the cost of health care would be now, or that the post office would not be part of the Federal government, or that such a thing as "the internet" would cause their volume of business to decline 30%. To solve the problem, the Feds must ease the current, overly-cautious retiree health-care funding laws and many other cost-containment measures. Personally, I think they should require street-side mailboxes for single-family homes, which would allow carriers to complete their routes in half the time. (Just a big picture idea - of course there are exceptions, etc.......) Personally, I think it's pretty cool that I can send a birthday card to my friend's doorstep in Seattle and that it will take about 3 days and cost me 45 cents. Just sayin'.....
Earnhardt February 07, 2013 at 05:41 PM
You are right, it is pretty cool and it is a lot more personal. Handwriting a note or a card is a very personal thing. Bill above raises good points though. The "House Phone" will probably be non-existant, except for the ones already installed in homes. The Library will be much smaller, although I think you will still be able to take out books. There are millions of people who enjoy turning pages and love the feel of a good book, myself included. As for the USPS I give it 5 years unless there is a major reorganization, which being the Federal Government, it's not very likely
M C Stringfellow February 07, 2013 at 06:04 PM
What do you mean by "street-side mailboxes"? I assume you mean street-side in front of the house so the mailman can drive up and fill the box. I have that which brings its own problems. According to the Post Office, I pay for the mailbox and they own it. Mail is not delivered if the mailbox is blocked by trash cans, cars, or fallen tree debris , etc. Mailmen are forbidden to get out of their trucks unless they are delivering packages to large for the box. They are brought to the door and if you are lucky, he will leave any loose mail with the package otherwise it goes in the box. If you have shrubbery around the sight of the box, the Post Office is not responsible for any damage done to said shrubbery by the delivery truck or the driver nor are they responsible if the driver of said truck is not sober. As far as the time to deliver the mail goes. My mail arrives any time between 11:30 AM and 5:00 PM, depending on whose driving the truck that day. There is no easy way to cut the spending of the USPS as they always find a way to keep spending.
JJoseph February 07, 2013 at 06:27 PM
I have a better idea. Why don't the USPS employees start to work more than 2 hours in their 8 hour shift. We could then eliminate 75% of the workforce. The USPS is nothing more than a welfare program for people to work part time and get paid for full time. There is no accountability within the USPS.
Mary J. Sawyer February 07, 2013 at 08:47 PM
JJoseph, why don't you ask a mail carrier (and I mean a "true" letter carrier and not the temporary workers they've hired who are not career employees) what their typical day is like before you make a absurd statement like that? I'm willing to bet they do more than you do in a single day.
kirk deluca February 07, 2013 at 09:45 PM
Hey joseph if the usps employees start 2 hrs earlier they would have nothing to do..The trucks come in around 7:45 am with the mail and 95% of it is already sorted by machine , letters and flats sorted in sequenced to each route , clerks are in house sorting some mail and sorting parcels around 4am so by 8am when the carriers clock in they inspect their postal trucks making sure they start and do a circle check checking brake lights and just a basic safety check 5-6 minutes and gasing up for the day. Back inside each carrier has some letter size and mags/flats to throw into the case , go through the parcels placing small items into the rack at the case.. they sign for accountable mail..so within 45-65 minutes their mailed is pulled down thrown into a hamper and pushed to load up the truck...there might be a service talk on safety concerning snow or other weather related news and SAFETY is # 1 when leaving the mail facility. Remember fedx and ups drivers get paid way more than the average mailman and thats probably why their rates are higher than usps , ask fedx what it would cost to send a letter from here to Alaska..HA BE MY GUEST , most of you out there don't really realize how much your saving by using the post office in the long run , your mail might be late some days because your reg.carrier is off and the office is short handed. The route gets split up and delivered later in the day. Epic snow storm coming clear walkways, curbline boxs make it a safe delivery thanx
K. Bonnin February 07, 2013 at 10:04 PM
KD - Excellent points. But also have to add, UPS and FedEx aren't getting taxpayer funding. If you put our share of taxes that go to the USPS on top of postage, I bet the cost of mailing that letter to Alaska is even.
StillCrazy February 07, 2013 at 10:47 PM
A quick Google search will show that the USPS does not receive taxpayer funds except to cover the costs for absentee ballots and mailings for the blind. It appears the biggest problem is the need to pre-pay retirement benefits far in advance of when they are going to be needed.
kirk deluca February 07, 2013 at 11:03 PM
Dalton , look no tax payer funding goes into the USPS. All monies are funded by people and businesses across the US and the world and its called 'postage". Mailers get a discount if they mail large amounts in sequence to the route like Sports Illistrated , daily newspapers , Time and Newsweek..ect..USPS has a large stake in 3rd-4th class mailings not to mention 1st and 2nd class , trust me there is alot of mailed being delivered , thousands of pieces aday plus packages on each route....years ago there might have been 180-250 stops for each route , today the average rt has 400-530 stops and its because of the technology the USPS has in its daily operations...machines that sort letters and flats to the sequence of each and every rt. so instead of throwing 8-9 ft of letter size back in the day we just load our trucks with machined mail , saves time and money and USPs has down sized their work force because of this new technology. Saturday delivery....mixed feelings ..USPS will lose alot of workers , workers that will be shuffled off to Buffalo , But on Mondays watch out 3 days of backed up mail will be horrific for carriers looking at 10-12 hr.day and late deliverys. Weekends off maybe a long weekend thats nice too and could plan a getaway...but...would rather have a 6 day week and save more jobs.
Aron Levy February 07, 2013 at 11:24 PM
No, Bill. I think you're wrong. I'm 26 and an academic who still does all of his research at libraries. The vast, vast, VAST majority of the books I use have not (and probably never will be) digitized. You can believe what you want. I still use my home phone all the time: the clarity is much greater. I still use my fax machine all the time: instant is good. I still use the Postal Service to send letters written either by hand (with my antique pen collection) or typed on my mechanical typewriters. You can say they're going the way of the dodo; but you'd be wrong. (Oh, and the USPS DOES self-fund. All of their money comes from the sale of postage. So nice try. They don't get one red cent from the Congress.)
Aron Levy February 07, 2013 at 11:27 PM
Hey Dalton, neither is the USPS. They get all of their funding from the sale of postage.
Mary J. Sawyer February 08, 2013 at 01:59 PM
Thank you for your excellent comments Kirk Deluca. Some people listen too much talk radio and clearly don't know of what they speak.
Mark Howell February 08, 2013 at 04:07 PM
Excellent explanation in your posts. There is so much mis-information floating around. Thank you for clarifying.
JJoseph February 08, 2013 at 05:19 PM
Kirk, There is no such thing as 3rd and 4th class mail. Mailers do not get a discount for large amounts, they get discounts for proper sortation.
Bill February 08, 2013 at 07:58 PM
Aaron – what I said was the USPS will not survive without federal funding – that is true. While you would technically be correct; They do not receive a dime, however, congress is making them fund their pension liability and they don’t have any money. Where do you think this money is going to come from? There are only two likely outcomes (a) bankruptcy and restructure thereby defaulting and rejecting the pension benefits (they have already defaulted) or (b) federal funding to pay the liability. If they are running a deficit, cannot restructure do to congress and owe $40B how do you see this ending? Do you honestly think the government is going to let former employees of the USPS lose their pension checks. BTW – you and my wife are on the same page- she won’t get rid of the “wall” phone either. The only calls we ever get are marketing.
kirk deluca February 08, 2013 at 08:22 PM
Hey J.J....when you get a letter in the mail and top right corner says "non profit" its 3rd class without a date for delivery its 4th...but it all gets delivered cannot leave any mail behind unless the route is over burden with 1st and 2nd class mail plus there could be a 4th bundle ( GLOBE DIRECTS OR BURLINGTON UNIONS) along with the flats you threw in the case , DPS mail which is machined letter size -"DELIVERY POINT SEQUENCE" FSS MAIL IS "FLAT SORTED SEQUENCE" Mags-flyers-LL Bean-Boston Mag-Maxim..etc..not to mention 15-25 parcels and certified mail for signatures not to mention each carrier has to scan their scan points every 30-40 minutes which is a scan code placed in a mailbox which our managers can monitor our where abouts each day not to mention we have scan each parcel with a bar code so the customer can track their package on the computor at time it arrived at the unit and time of delivery. Trust me there is alot of pressure put on the carriers for not delaying the mail and getting back on time. 20 years ago you could get an extra 20-30 minutes of down time , but today you don't have time to pick your nose. Scanning all bar codes and being a safe driver are very important to the USPS....
TB February 09, 2013 at 03:02 AM
I do everything possible to avoid the postal "service" because of the greedy, inpet union "workers." I use email, pay bills online, and will even hand deliver a payment to a emerchant. But then guess what? They get the last laugh because my taxes are used to bail out their terrible lazy work to so they continue to receive bloated, underserved reitrement pensions and healthcare unavailable to the private sector because we don't have politicians in the pocket like they do.
Aron Levy February 09, 2013 at 03:12 AM
Hey TB, once again the USPS does not get a single dime from the US tacpayer, genius. Since you're so vehemently against organized labor, I'm sure you don't mind working six and a half days a week for four dollars an hour, right? Turn off the damned FOX, simpleton. You've been taken in by the Kochtopus.
kirk deluca February 09, 2013 at 06:31 AM
I bet Mr/MZ TB must have had a terrible postal experience is approx. in his /her early to mid 30's so not possible to remember what postal workers were making back in 60's>>>>80's..nothing much and not much for benifits and retirement packages...Reform took place in the early 70's with new leadership that fought for the rights of postal workers. Remember the private sector back in them days is where the money was no one ever said.."Hey I want to be a mailman when I grow up". Nobody wanted to work for the post office Most were people who were in the service didn't lose service time when working for the post office.. 4- 10 years added to their retirement a no brainer.I took a $3.00 paycut in the 80s. I lost money and only working my 40 hr week it was tough in the beginning and still tough today alot of hard work goes into delivering that one piece of mail..Hey KOCHTOPUS your a funny guy..ha.ha.. ,Hey TB if we have so many politicians in our pockets then how come the post office is going to lose Saturday delivery ??? Merchants and people who live in the Heartland of America depend on the mail on Saturdays to pay their bills and recieve retirement checks , birthday cards , anniversary cards and maybe some mail from loved ones over seas who are fighting for our freedoms over here. Not everyone has cp.TB don't be so cheap , buy a stamp..Actually Aaron the mininum wage is around $8 bucks an hr...you are perfering to over sea wages where American technology has traveled to.. thanx
Curiouser February 09, 2013 at 08:01 PM
KD, thanks for the info - it's helpful to have first-hand info from someone who's there. It's nice to have a discussion with people who are more interested in facts and ideas than making stupid, uninformed comments.
kirk deluca February 09, 2013 at 09:41 PM
Mr Curiouseryour right about the INTERNET who would have known that down the road this would effect the P.O. it did and back then there wasn't the technology we have today with DPS and FSS machines sorting 95% of the mail just pick it up and load the truck. Now your response to having all mail boxes at each single family home to make it a "quicker" delivery well if management thinks your doing the route quicker a special inspection is done to your route they sit in a bucket seat behind you while you perform your duties and they time you with a special scanner and time you in between stops and time you how long it takes to make a parcel delivery to and from your mail truck.If they find any down time in your daily work load along with other routes management will cut up another route and spread more time to your route to show an 8 hr day for 8 hrs pay. In the cities Cluster Boxes are at the end of each street but most homes in the city are Grandfathered in for on the house delivery. Retirement health benifits this was something voted on 20 years ago and guess what that money was tapped into and was missing billions of dollars by other bureacrat agencies you know like the ones that tapped into our SS monies it wasn't til just a few years ago that this outrageous act came to light.So that money had to be "PAID" back , did the PO tap into it to pay for their retirement ? Remember these are benifits for the postal workers not upper management who have their own packages. Thanx
Edward Quinn February 11, 2013 at 05:00 PM
After reading this long discussion it appears to me that People like JJ are really misinformed or just making it up to start an argument. I have to say that the mailmen I have met over the years through my business and at my home have been highly professional and do work long and hard for not a living wage. I am finding this approach to discussions is not something new but is a growing trend when people think they know all about a subject but instead demonstrate just how misinformed they are. . I would strongly suggest that anyone who feels the need to know more about the USPS go down to the Woburn Public library and do some research and thus have a legitimate point to make and become a true contributor to finding meaningful debate. The point about bills in the mail could be easily solved by requiring credit card companies and the like to mail by Wednesday every week to assure they avoid the weekend lay over Back on point should Saturday delivery be reduced to save money? Yes I think it should so long as the package and express mail continues. Also we should consider allowing the postage rates to be indexed to inflation, yes the cost may rise a bit but, shouldn't it, since it would reflect the true cost based on the value it provides at that moment. The practice of freezing rates for years even decades has led to much of the shortfalls brought about by this practice and time.


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